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This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server.
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then i guess the body counts as theirs?
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What if you cut yourself and both the host and all tulpas feel it? I assure you this is part of why Tulpa kind say the body is shared. But I say to them nerve endings gotta fire yo (edited)
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maybe i don't get it cause as i said i don't have a tulpa
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:22 PM
A Tulpa uses the cells in the brain to exist. But until they can switch, fully controlling the body at will, I can't consider the body their's.
Aww lame, you won't consider my body mine, whatever am I gonna do now? 😦
6:23 PM
But I say to them nerve endings gotta fire yo
This is exactly what "shared body" means, lmao
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Now watch as all the tulpas dog pile me with their pretty little notions about how, because their host agreed to share their body, it's now their body.
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There's plenty of room for discussion on the topic (edited)
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I refuse to take part in discussion outside this channel. My metaphysical views are not welcome elsewhere
6:35 PM
Imagine if you believed in a heaven or hell. Whatever would happen if you Tulpa had sinned yet the host did not. With one body one mind would the whole system be cast into the fires? Or would the powers that be split thine in twain and send each to their respective place
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I imagine that, if tulpas are real as full, distinct entities, they have individual souls.
6:37 PM
And so individual souls would mean the ability to have separate fates as far as heaven/hell situations.
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And so individual souls would mean the ability to have separate fates as far as heaven/hell situations.
@JGC i also think that would be the case, even though it's all theoretical
6:38 PM
as far as i'm concerned, i don't think souls, heaven or hell exist
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The alternative, if tulpas are not full distinct entities, would mean that the whole system is complicit in one another's actions. One way of looking at things would be from an outsider's POV of the body's actions. From an outsider, it really doesn't matter what entity, what agency, is causing the action. You just see, "That body punched that child", and that's bad.
6:40 PM
In our system we used to joke, "If it's one soul per body, Cassidy has it" because he was the first to convert to Christianity.
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In our system we used to joke, "If it's one soul per body, Cassidy has it" because he was the first to convert to Christianity.
@JGC lol
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:42 PM
XD
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I know you're new to discord, but please don't use the @ when quoting unless it's confusing who you might be talking too, or if you're trying to summon me.
6:43 PM
It's a bit spammy
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:43 PM
Imagine if you believed in a heaven or hell.
Wow you're like the anti-John-Lennon
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How's that?
6:43 PM
Oh, lol, I see.
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:43 PM
"No hell below us Above us only sky"
  • Imagine, John Lennon
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I know you're new to discord, but please don't use the @ when quoting unless it's confusing who you might be talking too, or if you're trying to summon me.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you could quote without the "@"
6:45 PM
won't do it again
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:45 PM
Now watch as all the tulpas dog pile me with their pretty little notions about how, because their host agreed to share their body, it's now their body.
The body is my body because it's the reason I'm alive
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My host didn't agree to nothin. I took this body, I move it of my own volition because I am strong enough to choose to do so, not because I was allowed.
6:46 PM
At points in time, even one recently, I live as host and J is the one who needs to be propped up by me. I go to sleep using the body, and I'm the one who'll wake up in the morn.
6:47 PM
I don't think many tulpas get to that point, and I am not even a tulpa, however.
6:47 PM
It may be true in many or even most situations that most tulpas are too weak for that sort of situation. Even if they use the body often, the host is still supporting them to allow them to do such.
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The body is my body because it's the reason I'm alive
That's a pretty good argument, but a parasite or symbiote could say the same thing. "I live because this body exists therefore it's my body"
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:48 PM
If this is not my body, how can I be aware of the nerve endings firing when host burns his hand?
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maybe cause you're aware of the host's feelings/perceptions?
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My host didn't agree to nothin. I took this body, I move it of my own volition because I am strong enough to choose to do so, not because I was allowed.
In this instance I would say the Tulpa had earned the right to call the body they control their body. Now whether they stole that body or not is another question
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:50 PM
maybe cause you're aware of the host's feelings/perceptions?
The only way for me to be aware of his feelings/perceptions is if I had a body that can process feelings/perceptions
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well the host's body can do that for you
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:52 PM
I don't know, this entire conversation seems to be about semantics on the word "have"
6:53 PM
If it makes Lusovius happy, I'll stop calling the body "mine" even though I use it to move, think, be aware of host, etc
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Oh please don't stoop so low as to try to please me. This is metaphysics. I'm merely sparking discussion
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:54 PM
I know, I'm being facetious ;P
6:54 PM
I'm saying this discussion feels meaningless to me because my experience doesn't change regardless of whether I label the body as mine or not
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that makes sense
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My non-tulpa existence shouldn't sway your beliefs so deeply. And if your beliefs are shaken so easily perhaps they didn't really have grounds to stand upon
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:55 PM
See above
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I read it. I opted to complete my thought
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:55 PM
Good for you 🙂
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Thank you
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:56 PM
I don't "believe" that the body is mine, I experience it as mine, regardless of labels
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My non-tulpa existence shouldn't sway your beliefs so deeply. And if your beliefs are shaken so easily perhaps theyz didn't really have grounds to stand upon
Check out the Galileo gambit on this guy.
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 6:58 PM
XD
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I don't "believe" that the body is mine, I experience it as mine, regardless of labels
of course that's what matters, the rest is speculations
7:02 PM
also if i'm not a tulpa and you identify as one, i don't actually have a say in this the same way you do
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Regardless, this has been quite the derailment of the original thought provoking discussion. It matters little to me how you and your brain lovers see your combined existence. The question remains, can a Tulpa be sent to another person (using black magic) to haunt that person? And if not, why not? I offered several reasons I thought were grounds for why a Tulpa haunting wouldn't be possible. You all saw fit to discredit one of them. Fine. Beliefs are beliefs and none of this discussion can be proven or disproven by science. But, what of the original question?
of course that's what matters, the rest is speculations
This ENTIRE CHANNEL is speculations
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 7:04 PM
Okay cool, original question, can tulpas be sent to another person to haunt them?
7:04 PM
Answer, no, since they're flesh-and-blood entities like the host, who can't be sent to haunt another person, either
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yeah i think that we can all agree on that
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 7:05 PM
Not Lusovius, lol
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seriously?
7:06 PM
btw, can i suggest we all try and be nicer to eachother?
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quick history, the metaphysics channel here, and "metaphysics" in general, in reference to tulpamancy, doesn't mean philosophy of existence so much as magic, ghosts, astral plane stuff
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That was one of my theories as well. Unless of course part of the black magic aspect was to kill the Tulpa in order to send the resulting entity, ghost or whatever, to haunt the target.
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the metaphysical tulpa means a magical, rather than psychological, tulpa
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 7:07 PM
btw, can i suggest we all try and be nicer to eachother?
I don't feel like any of us were being mean, I perceive it as friendly banter
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bumblebee, this is chill imo, this is just a healthy debate
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yeah, Lusovius doesn't really come across as chill
7:08 PM
but whatever
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That's awfully misleading to title it metaphysics rather than the metaphysical Tulpa.
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condescending persecution complex doesn't read as chill to me either
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yeah, well that happened long before I was around, I dunno why it ended up that way
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yeah, Lusovius doesn't really come across as chill
Yeah that is the problem with text based conversation. You lose all of the body language and inflection of speech when you translate it to text.
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that's true
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here's an old forum announcement about why the metaphysics board exists
7:09 PM
Some of you may have noticed that there is a new board, dedicated to Metaphysical stuff. Id like to address that board real quick. As Im sure youre aware, the description of tulpa.info is: Tulpa.Info is the leading resource for a psychological approach to the Tulpae Phenomenon...
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if you say you don't want to sound aggressive i'll belive you
7:10 PM
it might just be my perception
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I enjoy provoking healthy debate in this dead channel from time to time. Sometimes that requires ruffling a few feathers. All in good fun I assure you.
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then it's all good
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If I were truly toxic the mods would have dealt with me months ago
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religion, astral projection, magic[k], occult stuff, psionics
7:12 PM
that's what's considered "meta" in the tulpa community
7:12 PM
"My tulpa is a spirit guide who came to be from the astral plane"
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Yeah, AZ?
7:18 PM
So ghosts and haunting doesn't fall under this short list of metaphysical topics? Fine, I'll drop the debate. I assumed it was fair game since someone posted a link to a post about it. But I suppose the OP could just be a troll in the end.
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no no, ghosts and haunting too
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Unfastened Belts 6/24/2020 7:18 PM
I feel like it absolutely falls under what this community considers metaphysics
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ghostkid is..... not a troll, but pretty young I think
7:19 PM
he's been around for a while just asking questions of that sort of nature
7:19 PM
I'm not sure, it could have been someone else, but it was a bit of a meme for a while that someone reported their tulpa turned their xbox off with their mind
7:20 PM
I was just listing topics because "metaphysics", outside of the tulpa community, means "he branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space."
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I said again what had already been said
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I'm sure the question like this has been here and plenty of times on forums but I have difficulty finding this bit specific topic. If my tulpa was a construct not entirely my own but partly of a "demon" that efforts to control me or manipulate me? Why, why, why? Actually, how to tell, what to do, and tripple why to break down the issue deeper. I'm not panicking, primarily I believe my mind and will is strong and such invasion is unlikely. But I cannot completely diss it.
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You feel this may be happening, or worry about the possibility?
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If it's possible, then I should worry. I don't believe it to be true but a friend in mystical, rather clairvoyance keeps believing this specific scenario.
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Even if you believed in that sort of thing, tulpas aren't defined by how they are created or by who, tulpas are their own people
11:20 PM
My creation has very little impact on who I am today
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I expect my Tulpa to help me and guide me through life. So yeah trust is required and I need to consider the aspect.
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I believe it is all but impossible to create an "evil" tulpa without setting out to do it on purpose, and even most "not very nice" tulpas are usually cases of unintentional tulpa creation.
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Thx, that is good point.
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I think trust is a byproduct of the process, so long as you aren't abusing them, because they are so dependent on you at first, and more or less at your mercy for continued development for a long time, that you naturally show that they can trust you and build a good rapport. Plus, since you are aware of each other's thoughts, they wouldn't be able to hide any ulterior motivations from you that whole time.
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What makes you think there's a "demon" trying to manipulate you?
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